Morning

Bought a little 2 stroke 50cc today, its called a Nova Roma, never heard of the make before but its in good nick and has a decent flat out speed (43mph restricted).

It isn't for me though, its for my younger brother (part of his birthday and christmas present). Isn't it a shame that he won't be able to ride it until december the 4th MWUAHAHAHA

I guess you're planning to run it in for him Welshie - just don't break it

Sadly not

It already has 3000 miles on the clock, so no running in is needed.

That and the seat is too high for a shortstuff like myself grrr.

Its resticted to 43mph as it can do 70 MPH ..... gotta love the itialians

is that some new nation thats been discovered..never heard of the itialians before..any relation to the Italians?

great news for your bro though..I would have loved my sibling to buy me a bike..

awesome birthday/xmas pressie!

i'd make him wait til the 25th though

Pressie.

How old will he be on his birthday?

Reason I ask is that if he's only 16 on his birthday he may be in bother re the 50KMPH limit (about 31 MPH).

Have a look here

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/Learn...eds/DG_10016249

The lad I bought it from was using it when he was 16, got insured bla bla without any problems......so I think it will be okay, if not then my brother will have a shock when he is stopped

Plus a fine and points.

The lad who sold it said it were fine as it is an import, so the design speed is higher then the brit bikes. Failing that I'll ride it myself (after taking the restrictor kit of off course.)

The lad who sold it to you was talking Bollox. The laws the law doesn't matter if its an import or not.

That's "bolleaux" as we doctors say.

All very well but i'm not a doctor.

In which case, as an online acquaintence used to say, perhaps "man speak with forked bottom" would fit.

I've got the manual to hand now, just been reading through it.

The Engine displacement is 49.26cc

I've also got the paperwork from the dvla for it, and it also states on that, that is it s 49cc bicycle (god knows why they class it as a pushbike )

So looks like it is all safe and legal :/

however, it cannot exceed 50kph (31mph)

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/Learn...peds/DG_4022430

Well I can't turn round and tell my brother he can't use it until he is 17 can I :/

Now I am lost completely, really don't know what to do

You could maybe change the rear and front sprocket..adding more teeth at the back and less at the front should bring the speed down a bit..

That's if it has a chain - we've not seen pictures yet...

Chopping 25% off the top speed is a fair order, but could it not be done by restricting the airflow through the carburettor? That'll cut the power right down.

Just an idea - there are plenty more mechanically proficient people than me around here.

Just saw this.

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=45979

sorry about the late reply.

The sprockets are an idea, a good one at that.

Im going to be having a private word with my father tomorrow and try and sort this out.

He seems to think it is all legal as the dvla have accepted all the paperwork etc.....but then again, the dvla are not the police :/

I was washing the blade on the drive the other day,and the old bloke who lives across the road came over and asked if I would like to have his 1984 honda 400n superdream . He bought it brand new it has less than 2000 miles on the clock and has stood in his garage since 1985. Its under a pile of stuff but what a project for the winter and when it`s done I`ll use it as a commuter for work. Oh and I forgot to say it`s free when he clears out the garage woo hoo.

Excelent stuff

I feel very lucky.

You may find that the advice your father has given you is worth exactly what you paid for it.

The thing is, a 50cc bike can be registered and used legally on the road even if it can do 90mph. The problem is that a 16 yo can't legally ride it because of the restrictions on the licence. I could, but I have a full unrestricted licence.

So there are two issues. One is whether the bike can be registered and legally used on the road (yes) the other is whether a 16yo can ride it (no).

Even a 17 yo with a pass might not be able to ride it if the power output or power to weight ratio exceeds the licence restrictions.

Don't take chances, is my advice. Getting a ban before he's even taken a test would really put a crimp in his day.

Just what i've tried telling the little twerp, but he wont have any of it :/

If all else fails i'll sell the thing off as a project bike, as it needs a fair wack of work done to make it nice and upto scratch again

I think I may have misinterpreted your message re your father - presumably what you actually meant was get your father to try to get your brother to see sense?

Sorry, should have said it a tad more clearly

My dad doesn't see anything wrong with my brother riding the bike, which isn't helping in the slightest.

So I have 2 people to persuade who just aint taking any of this in.

If needs be I'll contact a friend of mine in the police (traffic unit) and see if he can get some sense into them. But that really is the last .... this is going to sound daft but i've forgotten the word I was going to use :/

Well i guess if you have have told both your brother and your father and they decide to continue regardless then you have done your best to enlighten them and your brother will have to trust his luck.

It is also worth pointing out to them that in the event that he should get stopped or have an accident it would invalidate his insurance.

"Option", would that be the word? Dont you hate it when that happens, bugs the hell out of me & I end up re writing the whole sentence

It is a complete pain in the arris when it happens, and it seems to happen quite a lot with me

I had some paperwork from the DVLA through today, and it clearly stated 49cc, so my dad and brother have said they wouldn't of have recieved that unless it was legal for a 16 year old to ride. However, as I turnt round and said, the DVLA are NOT the police, all they see is a piece of paper listing make, model etc....whilst it is the police that can test using the dynamo and they are the ones who have the final ruling.

Leave them carry on, I have done the best I can to make them see sense, but they won't listen. If my brother is stopped He will learn the hardway. And I wont be there to bail him out!

Have you sat them infront of a computer and showed them my original link?



http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/Learn...eds/DG_10016249



Unfortunately some insist on learning through adversity & I'd bet a penny to a pile of sh1t you being a nice person you'll still be there picking up the pieces one way or another regardless of what you say.

Am I missing something here??

Welshie... have you READ the link Farrow and Vandeen posted?

Your bro CAN ride it at 16 IF he's passed his CBT to validate his Provisional License.

Page one Welshie says it can do 43mph, on the link Vandeen and I posted it says must not exceed 50 kph (31mph)

So how can he LEGALLY ride it?

Its early so I may not be picking up your point

EDIT:

If 16 and CBT is done on a automatic 50cc scooter

16 y/o - 50cc 31 mph

if 17 and CBT is done on a 125 scooter/geared bike

17 y/o - 125cc (no limited speed - I don't think)

That's right - any limit in the speed is via the limit on the power output.

I've shown them the link, and it goes over their heads.....so I aint doing anymore.

When he is stopped and they look at me, I will simply say that I, aswell as you guys have done the best we can to warn them, and they wouldn't listen.

derestricted it is capable of 60mph (no idea how, but it shows 70mph on the speedo), restricted it can still do 40mph.....making me think that even though all the paperwork and manual say 50cc, it is actually a 125cc :/

In any case, I've given up, im just going to let them carry on.

I have never understood how a 50cc can do 60mph...my CG125 struggled to do 60mph

I don't understand it either, but on the speedo it clearly shows 70mph top speed.

Whether it will do that though is a completely different story :/

I had a go on it in the street, You could hear the tires going underneath my weight (Im a big build ladies ^^), not to mention the fact that everytime i turnt the handlebars I kept whacking my knees.

With me on it, she wont go past 25mph

You've never seen a 50c.c. racer, then? :-)

Bear in mind that a well sorted, dereistricted RS125 or NSR125 will crack the ton, too.

very true rc30, but if you are stupid enough (and I would be) to do that then it becomes an awfully expensive hobby :/

I was mearly reffering to the joe public average 50cc scooter and a CG125, I am aware of these race reps :P

I haven't checked out the moped in question, but is its design maximum 50 kph - in other words, has the seller been talking it up and actually it is legal for 16yo?

a little clarification please, sorry.

so you bought it for him?

is it still your name on the documents?

if so. just take it back from him as you're the legal owner, and tell him he can't ride it.
apologise and buy him a football instead.

or did i miss something here?

I bought it for him, however it is in my Fathers name.

The lad who sold it had ridden 5 miles on it to meet me, however It is not safe to be on the road at the moment.

It has no rear brake, the battery is dead, it also has wires hanging out from all over the handlebars from where heated grips were installed and removed. Not to mention the back tyre is wobbly and keeps losing its air.

It's strange as the bike itself has dynamo type lights, something ive never seen before on a bike.

I am starting to wish I hadn't botherd with it as its more hassle than its worth, but then again you get what you pay for.

As for the lads description on the web, he missed alot of important information out, such as all of the above.

The manual itself says 49cc ...... but it does have a restrictor (will have to double check that) but the speedo shows that it can (apperantly) do 70mph. Which seems doubtful considering its age and lack of care.

It may be that it is perfectly legal to ride, but I myself have only ever ridden it in the street, and by the time it reaches 30mph I have to slam the brakes on to avoid hitting a wall. But the young lad who was selling it said himself, that he has had her upto 43mph, so it did ring some alarm bells in my head.

It could be nothing, and when my brother is all legal on the road nothing comes of it, or on the other hand when he does get on the road he gets pulled and a test done on the bike :/