Hi, I have a 1998 CB600 FW, runs fine until it hits 6000 revs and starts to give out a small amout of black smoke like it is overfueling and chocking iys self, also when being ridden again once it gets to 60mph it begins to stutter like it is chocking, have tried giving it chocke to so if it was lack of fuel but no improvement.
Starts fine on full choke from cold, warms up ok, I think that its a petrol problem. contacted local honda dealer, they say it cannot be carbs want balancing and want to charge £52 +vat per hour to look at it.
Any advise or suggestions welcomed no matter how silly or stupid people may think they may be.
This is an import bike, manufatured 7th march 1998, carb model CB600FW confirmed by honda
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Try a compression test. Crank the engine until the needle on the compression gauge stops moving. This should take no more than 5 seconds. Very roughly, 100-120 psi is good, 120-140 psi is very good and 140 + psi is great. If you don't have this level of compression then you have bad valves and/or bad piston rings. If you want, you can add a teaspoon or so of oil to the engine through the spark plug hole. Then try the compression test again. If compression is higher, then it's likely you have bad rings. The oil will seal the rings and give you better compression. If compression is the same, then you have bad valves/seats and/or valve clearances out of service limits.
I just copied this from another forum:
Blue Smoke: Blue smoke is caused by engine oil entering the cylinder area and being burned along with the fuel air mixture. As with the white smoke, just a small drop of oil leaking into the cylinder can produce blue smoke out the tailpipe. Blue smoke is more likely in older or higher mileage vehicles than newer cars with fewer miles.
How did the engine oil get inside the cylinder in the first place? The car has many seals, gaskets, and O-rings that are designed to keep the engine oil from entering the cylinder, and one of them has failed. If too much oil leaks into the cylinder and fouls the spark plug, it will cause a misfire (engine miss) in that cylinder, and the spark plug will have to be replaced or cleaned of the oil. Using thicker weight engine oil or an oil additive designed to reduce oil leaks might help reduce the amount of oil leaking into the cylinder.
Black Smoke: Black smoke is caused by excess fuel that has entered the cylinder area and cannot be burned completely. Another term for excess fuel is "running rich." Poor fuel mileage is also a common complaint when black smoke comes out of the tailpipe. Black smoke out the tailpipe is the least cause for alarm. Excess fuel will usually effect engine performance, reduce fuel economy, and produce a fuel odor.
How did the fuel get into the cylinder in the first place? Some of the causes of excess fuel are a carburetor that is out of adjustment, a faulty fuel pump, a leaky fuel injector, or a faulty engine computer or computer sensor. If black smoke is present, check the engine oil as in the white smoke example to make sure excess fuel has not contaminated it. Do not start the engine if a heavy, raw fuel smell can be detected in the engine oil. Call your mechanic and advise him of what you have found.
I just copied this from another forum:
Blue Smoke: Blue smoke is caused by engine oil entering the cylinder area and being burned along with the fuel air mixture. As with the white smoke, just a small drop of oil leaking into the cylinder can produce blue smoke out the tailpipe. Blue smoke is more likely in older or higher mileage vehicles than newer cars with fewer miles.
How did the engine oil get inside the cylinder in the first place? The car has many seals, gaskets, and O-rings that are designed to keep the engine oil from entering the cylinder, and one of them has failed. If too much oil leaks into the cylinder and fouls the spark plug, it will cause a misfire (engine miss) in that cylinder, and the spark plug will have to be replaced or cleaned of the oil. Using thicker weight engine oil or an oil additive designed to reduce oil leaks might help reduce the amount of oil leaking into the cylinder.
Black Smoke: Black smoke is caused by excess fuel that has entered the cylinder area and cannot be burned completely. Another term for excess fuel is "running rich." Poor fuel mileage is also a common complaint when black smoke comes out of the tailpipe. Black smoke out the tailpipe is the least cause for alarm. Excess fuel will usually effect engine performance, reduce fuel economy, and produce a fuel odor.
How did the fuel get into the cylinder in the first place? Some of the causes of excess fuel are a carburetor that is out of adjustment, a faulty fuel pump, a leaky fuel injector, or a faulty engine computer or computer sensor. If black smoke is present, check the engine oil as in the white smoke example to make sure excess fuel has not contaminated it. Do not start the engine if a heavy, raw fuel smell can be detected in the engine oil. Call your mechanic and advise him of what you have found.
QUOTE(Wilf @ Mar 23 2009, 09:13 PM) 
Try a compression test. Crank the engine until the needle on the compression gauge stops moving. This should take no more than 5 seconds. Very roughly, 100-120 psi is good, 120-140 psi is very good and 140 + psi is great. If you don't have this level of compression then you have bad valves and/or bad piston rings. If you want, you can add a teaspoon or so of oil to the engine through the spark plug hole. Then try the compression test again. If compression is higher, then it's likely you have bad rings. The oil will seal the rings and give you better compression. If compression is the same, then you have bad valves/seats and/or valve clearances out of service limits.
I just copied this from another forum:
Blue Smoke: Blue smoke is caused by engine oil entering the cylinder area and being burned along with the fuel air mixture. As with the white smoke, just a small drop of oil leaking into the cylinder can produce blue smoke out the tailpipe. Blue smoke is more likely in older or higher mileage vehicles than newer cars with fewer miles.
How did the engine oil get inside the cylinder in the first place? The car has many seals, gaskets, and O-rings that are designed to keep the engine oil from entering the cylinder, and one of them has failed. If too much oil leaks into the cylinder and fouls the spark plug, it will cause a misfire (engine miss) in that cylinder, and the spark plug will have to be replaced or cleaned of the oil. Using thicker weight engine oil or an oil additive designed to reduce oil leaks might help reduce the amount of oil leaking into the cylinder.
Black Smoke: Black smoke is caused by excess fuel that has entered the cylinder area and cannot be burned completely. Another term for excess fuel is "running rich." Poor fuel mileage is also a common complaint when black smoke comes out of the tailpipe. Black smoke out the tailpipe is the least cause for alarm. Excess fuel will usually effect engine performance, reduce fuel economy, and produce a fuel odor.
How did the fuel get into the cylinder in the first place? Some of the causes of excess fuel are a carburetor that is out of adjustment, a faulty fuel pump, a leaky fuel injector, or a faulty engine computer or computer sensor. If black smoke is present, check the engine oil as in the white smoke example to make sure excess fuel has not contaminated it. Do not start the engine if a heavy, raw fuel smell can be detected in the engine oil. Call your mechanic and advise him of what you have found.
Went out today and it refuses to start, coughs as if it want to start but not running, its got a full tank of petrol in and battery is fully charged, sounds like a petrol problem to me. any suggestions
Have you overfilled the oil?
Don't know if it would affect the starting of it, but when I overfilled the oil in my bike some years ago - it used to burp dirty great clouds of black/blue smoke at speed sometimes
Don't know if it would affect the starting of it, but when I overfilled the oil in my bike some years ago - it used to burp dirty great clouds of black/blue smoke at speed sometimes
QUOTE(lordpsk @ Mar 27 2009, 09:12 AM)
Went out today and it refuses to start, coughs as if it want to start but not running, its got a full tank of petrol in and battery is fully charged, sounds like a petrol problem to me. any suggestions
Have you checked anything that Wilf suggested??
If you have, let us know what you have found, it is very difficult for us to help you diagnose a problem if you do not keep us up to date with the checks you are making.
Have you removed your airfilter and checked its condition?
If you only do short journeys, a lot of condensation can build up in the airfilter box, this can effectively clog the airfilter making the bike run rich (hence the black smoke), if there is a lot of water in the airfilter box check that the drain is not blocked.
Miz.
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