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Press release

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Riders Get To Grips With Manhole Covers

Issued 19th February 2008

Carriageway manhole covers, especially on bends, can present a potentially lethal danger to motorcyclists but this could all change if revisions to the European Standard for them, proposed by the UK, is agreed.

It is well known that over time some manhole cover surfaces become smooth and polished and if wet, very slippery, but thanks to the work undertaken by the National Motorcycle Council i.e. The British Motorcyclists Federation (BMF), Institute of Highway Incorporated Engineers (IHIE), Motor Cycle Industry Association MCIA, Motorcycle Action Group (MAG) RAC Foundation and Devon County Council, the UK committee working on the revision of European Standard EN124 have agreed unanimously to recommend a minimum ‘polished skid resistance value for manhole covers’.

This will give manhole covers the equivalent grip of good quality road surfacing but in addition, the suggested revised standard also allows for the use of an even higher grip cover in areas of greater concern, such as bends.

The work was brought about due to a lack of effective skid resistance requirements for manhole covers in the present standard, BS EN 124. This is of particular concern as manholes to allow access to underground services are often found on bends, a location where motorcyclists can be particularly vulnerable due to a sudden change in grip when cornering.

The next stage will be to address this matter at a European level to gain support and agreement from the other countries. Achieving this should lead to a change in the EN124 standard and a safer European-wide road network for bikers.

David Short, MAG Campaigns Manager said, "The Government is always talking about joined up thinking in support of road safety and the work undertaken by these different organisations just show what can be achieved when everyone works together. It is the simple measures that can make so much difference and save lives. The European and UK Government now need to show some leadership, effect a change in the skid resistance standard and make our roads safer for vulnerable road users.

Welcoming the agreement, Chris Hodder, the BMF’s Government Relations Executive said: "I would like to thank Devon County Council’s Material’s Laboratory and the IHIE for their work on this. As motorcyclists we know we need a level of skid resistance equal to that of the main carriageway, but what we needed was a technical specification and that’s what we have now been able to agree on."

Sheila Rainger, Head of Campaigns for the RAC Foundation added "No-one needs to be put at risk by a slippery manhole cover in the road surface. Safer covers are available but they are rarely used because the current European Standard does not require covers to be skid-resistant in real-world conditions. If the UK is successful in amending the standard, the roads will be safer for motorcyclists and for other vulnerable road users."


Egg 'n' Bacon
Good find, let's hope it goes through.

BTW, what were you doing at that time of the morning?
Finn
Whilst good, i'd also liek to see them do something about how much lower than the rest of the surface the man hole covers (and other crap) are.

It seems like every time they resurface the road they dont dig deep enough so by the time their done the covers are even lower than before, I swear I have seen a couple that are a good 2 or 3 inches lower than surrounding tarmac. Local councils will probably try and claim their traffic calming measures rolleyes.gif
rc30
QUOTE(Finn @ Feb 21 2008, 08:32 AM) *

Local councils will probably try and claim their traffic calming measures rolleyes.gif


Don't know if you were joking, but some years ago one of the people I knew in the cix bikers conference was Sheila Rainer, who is now a transport spokesman for the RAC I believe. She and her husband Paul were involved with local government, and she said that at one meeting the parlous state of the local roads was brought up and a case put forward for repairing them on the grounds that they were becoming dangerous. Apparently one councillor argued that this was an effective way to reduce speeds on the roads, and so opposed repairing them. Fortunately he was shown the error of his ways.
stucbr
QUOTE(Finn @ Feb 21 2008, 08:32 AM) *
liek



And ppl talk about my spelling.... lbhh.gif


This should have been done years ago, but I doubt it will even now, imo there trying to price everything off the rd's. I know a woman in Irvine that just passed her bike test, cost a bl00dy fortune. We were out on Sunday and she had a scare on a cover, she couldnt go anywhere but go over it, as there was gravel on the inside and a line of oil near the white line.
ellitanthalas
QUOTE(Finn @ Feb 21 2008, 08:32 AM) *

Whilst good, i'd also liek to see them do something about how much lower than the rest of the surface the man hole covers (and other crap) are.

I wish they'd stop burying the manholes.
Makes my job really difficult when you can't access a few hundred meters of pipe because some other fecker has hidden it!!!

Then again, sunken manholes, especially in areas of high risk soil, are going to happen and there's not much that can be done to stop them. You just have to try keeping an eye out and fix them as early as is reasonably possible.

QUOTE(rc30 @ Feb 21 2008, 09:52 AM) *

Apparently one councillor argued that this was an effective way to reduce speeds on the roads, and so opposed repairing them.

And attacking councillors with a broadsword is an effective way of cutting through the red tape of bureraucracy...

QUOTE(stucbr @ Feb 21 2008, 10:57 AM) *

This should have been done years ago, but I doubt it will even now,

It's not as difficult as people might think.
Thames Water have been using non-slip manhole covers for ages. Decades, I believe.
Many are still being replaced as they have millions of the things, covering just over 1/4 of the whole country...


Fazerstun
And there was me thinking you were a doctor Elephantboy.
Hmm, maybe you are.... what sort of manholes are you talking about?

Proctologist now are ya? sick.gif rofl.gif
Paul
QUOTE(Fazerstun @ Feb 21 2008, 12:52 PM) *

And there was me thinking you were a doctor Elephantboy.
Hmm, maybe you are.... what sort of manholes are you talking about?

Proctologist now are ya? sick.gif rofl.gif



Why is it that only you could think of that!!!!!


Fazerstun
QUOTE(Paul @ Feb 21 2008, 12:53 PM) *

Why is it that only you could think of that!!!!!

You're only jealous cos you didn't think of it first wink1.gif
ellitanthalas
QUOTE(Fazerstun @ Feb 21 2008, 12:52 PM) *

And there was me thinking you were a doctor Elephantboy.
Hmm, maybe you are.... what sort of manholes are you talking about?

Proctologist now are ya? sick.gif rofl.gif


Me? A doctor? What, cause of that little sketch about the sick battery?
If I was a doctor, I wouldn't have needed to buy a second-hand bike with a tax rebate - I could afford to have a fleet of custom-built ones.

Actually, I did start down the road of becoming a 'marital therapist', but couldn't afford all the university fees, so I became a soldier instead.
But I can be a doctor for you if you wish.....

I did have to study and learn a lot of medical theory, though, when I worked as a biological therapy manager and as a medical auditor.
"Take two of these and call a real doctor in the morning!!".


But nah, I was talking about the foul and surface water manholes for the public sewer networks.
I'm currently working as a wastewater consultant and actually have to know about manhole covers and sh!t like that.
Billy M
QUOTE(Fazerstun @ Feb 21 2008, 12:52 PM) *

And there was me thinking you were a doctor Elephantboy.
Hmm, maybe you are.... what sort of manholes are you talking about?

Proctologist now are ya? sick.gif rofl.gif


rofl.gif rofl.gif

QUOTE(ellitanthalas @ Feb 21 2008, 01:10 PM) *


Actually, I did start down the road of becoming a 'marital therapist', but couldn't afford all the university fees, so I became a soldier instead.


Soldier!.... I thought you were in the T.A. which makes me wonder if your the Rambo type you keep making yourself out to be, then why are you not in Afgahnistan along with all the other T.A. reservists?
Paul
QUOTE(Billy M @ Feb 21 2008, 01:21 PM) *

rofl.gif rofl.gif
Soldier!.... I thought you were in the T.A. which makes me wonder if your the Rambo type you keep making yourself out to be, then why are you not in Afgahnistan along with all the other T.A. reservists?


Because they don't need someone to look into holes over there.
ellitanthalas
QUOTE(Billy M @ Feb 21 2008, 01:21 PM) *

Soldier!.... I thought you were in the T.A. which makes me wonder if your the Rambo type you keep making yourself out to be, then why are you not in Afgahnistan along with all the other T.A. reservists?


TA????!!!!!
Nah... I do live up the road from the TA centre in Reading, but that's about it...
I used to hang out with a lot of RAuxAF Regiment guys. Couple of them were in one of the bands I used to play in. They arranged for me to take part in several of their exercises and tag along on a parachute course with 2Sqn at Brize Norton.

I was an Air Cadet when I was a sprog and wanted to join my mates in the RAF Regiment, but was too young at the time so I ended up in the Royal Green Jackets.
I eventually found I didn't like the idea of spending my life shooting at Irishmen.
The Army decided I wasn't mentally challenged enough to be an infantry rifleman and persuaded me to transfer to the REME to be an armourer. I got a bit disenchanted with the overall lack of professionalism in the Army and left to find something more engaging.

I've never killed anyone, I've never shot at anyone or been shot (in combat) and I've never served in the front line anywhere.

That was years ago, anyway.
I've been a civvie for about 11 years.
Sorry if I come across as 'Rambo'... I do have some training and experiences to draw upon, but I wouldn't have ascribed it to a gung-ho, deranged Hollywood character.


And the Army does not have non-slip manhole covers lbhh.gif
rc30
QUOTE(ellitanthalas @ Feb 21 2008, 01:53 PM) *

I was an Air Cadet when I was a sprog and wanted to join my mates in the RAF Regiment


My Dad always called them the rock apes.

His brother in-law was in the regiment.
ellitanthalas
QUOTE(rc30 @ Feb 21 2008, 02:04 PM) *

My Dad always called them the rock apes.


Ooh, that's a sure-fire way to upset them..... which is why I do it too lbhh.gif
[JP]
back on topic...

I've seen this man hole covers in Bristol..
maybe 1 or 2 years ago I was at Fowlers in bristol, with Ace, and MAG was there showing it
they look like they have grit on them, so its not slippery..

if I remember correctly the guys from MAG said that there was already a few around in Bristol..
they even took a pic of Ace standing on one, whilst it was at an angle, to show how grippy it was..
Fazerstun
Back off topic............ lbhh.gif

QUOTE(ellitanthalas @ Feb 21 2008, 01:53 PM) *

TA????!!!!!
That was years ago, anyway.
I've been a civvie for about 11 years.

Not bad considering you're only 12


rofl.gif
ellitanthalas
QUOTE(Fazerstun @ Feb 21 2008, 03:37 PM) *

Back off topic............ lbhh.gif
Not bad considering you're only 12
rofl.gif

I'm telling mum Faze, you're such a liar...... I am so NOT 12!!!!!!!






.......I'm 12 and three quarters tounge1.gif
BikerGran
QUOTE(Egg 'n' Bacon @ Feb 21 2008, 08:28 AM) *

BTW, what were you doing at that time of the morning?


Didn't get home from work till 3 and couldn't wind down.

There are quite a lot of non-slip manhole covers in Dorset - but also a lot of the very slippy kind. When I went out for a day's training in the rain with a police rider he made us ride over them to see how to handle them - as he said, if you ride across the middle you're only going to slip so far and then grip again - it was a very useful exercise but it would be better not to need to know this!
snapdragon
its the one on my way home that annoys me - at least two or three inches deep into the road - ok if you know it's there but a group of bikes or a scootist in the inside track and it rattles the fillings (and everything else) pretty badly, scoot wheels particularly at risk veryangry.gif
BikerGran
So I take it you've contacted the local highways people and told them it's dangerous for bikers?
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