under what circumstances could a stoppie happen?

if i break hard on my bike the front wheel locks up, yeah i can feel the weight shift forwards but nowhere near enough to lift the rear.

I dont really want to know how to do one, but more how do they do it as a matter of curiousity.

here its here ... http://www.superstreetbike.com/stunt_howto...ick_street_bike

Depends how heavy the bike is. I never got one of my Triumphs to lift (well, not so you;d notice) but I've stoppied the fireblade several times (usually deliberately, once in an emergency) and the DRZ400 a couple of times, once in the wet - a ped walked out in front of me

I think it depends on a few factors - mostly weight distribution on the bike, tyres/grip, and the angle of your forks.

I've never stoppied my Yamaha, but I've locked the front a few times - on that bike, the weight sits off the front a lot, and the forks have a decent amount of rake on them.

My Ducati I've stoppied a few times, but never locked up - there, you put a silly amount of weight onto your wrists, and hence the front wheel. Also, the forks are much more vertical, to make turning in faster.

I think it's thees aspects that determine whether the front will dig in or tip under heavy braking.

Rather more importantly is how to brake quickly *without* doing bad stuff like that. This is achieved by easing onto the brakes smoothly and just squeezing harder and harder. You can really get the bike stopped in a hurry like that. In an emergency, you tend to snatch, which is where you'll skid / lift - if you can train yourself to squeeze progressively, you'll stop harder and safer.

And don't ask me how, because I still snatch from time to time - I guess it's just practice.

cheers made an interesting read.

my bike is pretty heavy for what it is so maybe thats why.

also never braked like they suggest before, i.e. pulling clutch in, releasing the pressure etc

i am definately a snatcher, i must stop doing it.

i remember a few times last year i had to constantly chant to myself do not brake etc.

t121anf - you said when you brake hard your front locks up.

Mate, you are not braking hard you are braking fast. there is a huge difference. if you brake ( pull the lever back slowly) very hard you can lift the back wheel . if the front locks then you are braking fast ( pulling the lever back fast) and not giving the front end a chance to gain weight and grip.

dont bother trying to do stoppies but maybe do practise out of the way of any road users by gently increasing pressure on the front brake lever.

''on and squeeze''.

Powerfull braking has nothing to do with speed of application.

Zombie, see thats why i use this forum, always getting tips and help on improving skils.

When the roads are a little less slippy i'll give it a go.

i really need to get out of my snatching habbit.

Thanks mate, thats cheered me up no end - i get fed up of being seen as some sort of smart arse bighead when im actually not.

Endos arnt clever atall - I personally think it's the bigheads that do it - And these are the ones that get killed on our roads today.

Just to add my 2 pennorth - I seem to remember that locking the front end on the emergency stop is a fail on the test?


Luckily I was in no danger of doing that when I did my test in the 'old days' - it was a wet day but I was on a 100cc bike that had a joke for a front brake!

Stoppies - how? Surely stoppies - why?..is the real question! I once 'stoppied' my MZ 125 into the back of a Mercedes which suddenly braked then swerved left into a layby with no indication, this was some years ago aged 17. If you're lifting the back wheel when braking or otherwise locking it you're in less control of your vehicle as there's no way for you to steer in those conditions - do it on a public road and you may risk a few points for dangerous driving. I know of one R6 pilot who did just this in front of a watching panda car. Why bother? Good, quick, responsive riding has nothing to do with pulling stunts but more to do with good road and traffic awareness and the ability to handle your machine to its best abilities whatever it is.

I once tried a stoppie on my old Halfords Espada. I think I was around twelve at the time. I thought it looked easy, just put your weight forward and pull the front brake.

I landed on my heid with no helmet.. I've never done another one since. It's not big and it's not clever and it's sore on the old napper.

Isnt it all about brake control, after all the original question was more on what causes stoppies and how to avoid them, rather than how to do them

Simple,

Just ask a little girl.